Talk:Chris Gragg

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September 21, 2014	Featured article candidate	Promoted
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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that National Football League player Chris Gragg was a water boy until junior high school?

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Kirk, Otis (December 12, 2007). "Recruit Reaction: Chris Gragg". Rivals.com. (subscription required)

Therapyisgood (talk) 05:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Tonystewart14 (talk) 14:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Need additional references

~~"When Arkansas faced the Georgia Bulldogs on September 18, Gragg caught a touchdown from a 57-yard pass for his first reception of the year." Needs additional reference for "first of year" comment~~

"After his senior year, Gragg participated in the NFL Scouting Combine, where he ran the fastest 40-yard dash time, the third-fastest 3 cone drill, had the third-longest broad jump, and the second-highest vertical jump of all tight ends in attendance." All needs referenced

Therapyisgood (talk) 07:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this NFL Player notable?

There doesn't seem to be anything particularly remarkable about this player. What makes him notable? Hires an editor (talk) 00:56, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:NGRIDIRON anyone who has appeared in at least one NFL game is considered notable. As for why the article for an obscure American football player is at the quality that it is, it beats me. — Chevvin 04:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Chevvin: Perhaps Hires an editor is asking why this is on the front page as a featured article. That answer would be that WP:FAs are based on the quality of the article, not necessarily the subject's standing; the subject just needs to be notable enough for an article on Wikipedia. That said, I think someone knowledgeable about football could help copyedit this more. I only read the lead, and it seems a bit too flattering (WP:UNDUE).—Bagumba (talk) 13:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My only guess why this article is notable is that he is trying to promote his brother Will so he gets more money offered when he goes into the NFL draft, notice that in the "Personal History" has nothing about Chris, and it is just promoting Will. Is the featured article process public somewhere I'm not aware? Going through @Therapyisgood contributions (he did a ton in Apr 2020), my other guess why this article is notable is because how active this editor was and is very active in trying to influence other featured articles, maybe showcase how to create a 'good' article about a below average NFL player?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecleric (talk • contribs) 18:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ecleric: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates describes the process. The top of the talk page of an FA (and WP:GA) would have that page's review. In this case, it was promoted to FA in 2014. If you can improve Gragg's page, feel free to edit it directly. Otherwise, you can also follow the featured article review process to get it improved, or in the worst-case, delisted. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 08:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bagumba: Thanks for replying and helping me with the signature part, WikiCup is some type of editor competition? The editor :@Seattle: pushed this to get points from that competition? Ecleric (talk) 14:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FA status

I noticed this page on the front of Wikipedia a while back and don't think it meets the standard for FA. Most notably, it fails 1A due to a litany of anecdotal quotes from coaches and scouts, which are not encyclopedic. It also fails 1D under WP:UNDUE as noted in the previous section. I think this article should go through WP:FAR and I am posting this section as step 1 to gather thoughts and see if the article can be improved. Tonystewart14 (talk) 23:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with above. UNDUE concerns that I have include:

Overhyping combine results in the lead. There's no long-term notability from these.
The lead mentions too many trivial stats, and the numbers are anyways not that impressive. The lead does not need WP:INTEXT attribution to Twitter platform, and saying he "was listed as" a graduate assistant reads like an investigation report or draws doubt whether he really was an assistant.
2010 Sugar Bowl details are excessive
Excessive detail on 2011 LSU game
Trivial that he was first rookie to sign
Too much details on meaningless preseason games
Excessive detail on brother Chris

—Bagumba (talk) 08:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]